Questions, questions, questions (4) About Unknown Chinese Cars

In this section I write about non identified Chinese cars and other questions.

Great Wall (Chang Cheng) CC1020S, Beijing Huairou May 2025, photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.

First a car which I once showed five years ago. I found it in a booklet about Hongqi, and it was clearly described as a Hongqi prototype. As it was a twin of the Shanghai SH771, I regarded it as a prototype of the SH771. In the last five years this was neither confirmed nor disputed. But there was also never prove that it was a Hongqi. In detail, there are some essential differences between this car and the SH771. So again, I ask for help, who knows, a Hongqi or a Shanghai?

Shanghai SH771 or Hongqi?
Shanghai SH771, SAIC building, 2003. Photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.

One of the Shanghai SH771 pre-production vehicles was exhibited in 2003 in the SAIC main office, Weihai Road, Shanghai.
After 22 years, in May 2025, I went back to find the exhibition.
The building is still in use, but the small car-exhibition has disappeared. Office workers told me that the cars were spread over different addresses.
The Shanghai SH771 was given to the Shanghai University Fine Arts College in Baoshan District. My visit to the Academy was in vain, no car, nobody new anything.
But my visit to the Shanghai Auto Museum was more successful: there was the SH771 stored in the dark garage underneath the museum. Waiting under cover, for a make over, before being exhibited in the museum.

Shanghai SH771, Shanghai Auto Museum, garage underneath the museum, May 2025. Photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.

According the SAIC workers, the replica of the Fenghuang 1958 prototype is now to see in the main lobby of the Blue Palace Hotel in Jiading district, Shanghai city.

Main lobby, Blue Palace Hotel, Jiading District, Shanghai. Today there must be the Fenghuang.
Replica Fenghuang 1958 Prototype, SAIC building, 2003. Photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.
Shanghai SH770, made 1970-1973. Bullet proof.

A bullet proof version of the Hongqi CA770 was developed by the Shanghai Auto Works in 1969, and six were made from 1970-1973.

One of the cars is still existing. This car was originally seen in Nanjing. I don’t know the present whereabouts. Do you know more?

Shanghai SH770, made in 1970-73, still existing. Where? Note the missing  red flags on the mudguard.

This unique car needs to be restored! Who is the owner?

Shanghai SH770, made in 1970-73.
Shanghai (上海) on the trunk of the SH770.

At bilibili there is a discussion about the engine, they say, it doesn’t look like a Hongqi engine. Some people think that the engine is a 6.3L Mercedes W100 engine.

Shanghai SH770, engine.
Mercedes W100 engine for Mercedes Benz 600. Photo Internet.
Hongqi CA770 V8 engine. Photo Internet.

The engine discussion is also about the SH771 engine. Here again the question: Hongqi  V8 or Mercedes Benz V8 engine?

Shanghai SH771 V8 engine. SAIC building 2003, photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.
Mercedes Benz 6.8L V8 W116 engine. For the S-class. Photo collectingcars.com.

In “Questions 3 ” I showed you the Xiali made by Great Wall.  Here are more photos of the Great Wall (Changcheng) CC6400, thanks to our faithful reader “Marshall_Isl”.

Great Wall CC6400
Some technical data:
Engine Suzuki F10A
Length x Width x Height: 3800×1600×1400mm
Wheelbase: 2340mm
Empty vehicle curb weight : 880KG
Maximum speed: 100kmh

Great Wall CC6400 (“Bao Ding Chang Cheng”).

The CC1020S with Rolls Royce front, photographed by Damien (Navigator 8426) in Dalian has been bought by mr. Luo Wenyou, to enrich his wonderful Veteran Car Museum in Huairou near Beijing.

Great Wall (Chang Cheng) CC1020S, Beijing Huairou May 2025, photo copyright Erik van Ingen Schenau.
Great Wall (Chang Cheng) CC1020S.

Mrf. Luo already started welding the holes. On the official photo here above, there is the name Shida. Who knows what Shida means?

In my earlier article about the 1990s cars of Great wall, I asked you: was there any car built in serial production, which one, how many, what period?
I am still waiting for an answer…..

 

 

 

 

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Derek c.

My guess is that the car is a Shanghai. 1. Look closely, the wheels resemble the ones on the production car. 2. There is very similar design. Everything except the orange reflector and the front fascia are different, and if you look closely you can see head restraints that look like the 1968-1985 OEM head restraints This makes me believe the car is a Shanghai as it was based off a Mercedes Benz. 3. A lot of car books were inaccurate at the time.

Derek c.

Look closely on the image of the Shanghai protototype.Does it resemble this 1971 model 280se? the reflector, the windshield, the roof, and the rear bumper looks about just the same, except that the antenna is on the wrong side.

Derek c.

The picture:

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