Questions, questions, questions (2)

Nearly three years ago I showed you some photos of cars which were more or less unknown to me. I asked you to help me, since then I have made not  much progress. I have found another picture of the Shanghai SH760A with the round headlamps, a picture which seems to suggest that it was a prototype made by the factory.

Shanghai SH760A with round headlights.

And, at the 70 years PRC exhibition in the Shanghai museum last year, the museum had replaced their ugly fake Shanghai SH761 parade car by a real one. I am happy with that one!

Another mystery: Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation has opened a permanent little exhibition of Beijing products in its headoffice building in Beijing Shunyi District.

In 2015 a Mini was shown, which seems to be a locally made one.

Beijing made Mini.
Mini, the real one.

Especially at the rear site you can see the differences between this vehicle and the original Mini. Who knows more about this vehicle? Please help me out!

And than the next one: in November 1978 Oliver Barnham made this nice photo, showing three Shanghai SH211 jeeps, a Shanghai SH140 truck tractor and.. yes, and what?

3 x SH211A, SH140 truck tractor and? Yes a station wagon..?? Photo Oliver Barnham.
Shanghai Station Wagon, November 1978.

A station wagon, maybe a hearse? Who knows more? Strongly related to the Shanghai SH761 parade car.

Shanghai SH761 parade car, seen in mr. Luo Wenyou’s museum in Huairou.

Number four of today is a car I just noticed, in a print of the book: 中国汽车工业建设成就画册 (China Automotive Industry Construction Achievement Picture Book). It is clearly a car which belongs in my 1990s book. But what name and what make?

Unknown 1990s vehicle seen in book: 中国汽车工业建设成就画册.
Under the photo (left row, fourth car) is a small text, probably indicating make and model.

Can someone who owns this book, tell me what is written there under the photo?

And the last one: I made these photos in Baoding in 1996. Who knows more?

Baoding City, Hebei Province 1996. Photo Erik van Ingen Schenau.

Comments 3-4-2021:

I ordered and received (second hand) finally the book mentioned by item 4, the red mini car. Here is a better scan:

Dongfeng AR small car.

The car is named AR, a prototype made by the Dongfeng Motor Corporation. The book is composed in July 2000, I suppose this AR prototype is made in the late 1990s.

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somil

last pic says cherok.

Max Xiao

I believe that’s just a part of a Jeep Cherokee badge.

somil

maybe?

Paul

Round headlights completely change the character of the Shanghai. It looks a much more natural fit, and softens the whole feel of the design.

somil

true.

Paul

That last one looks like a composite of every Nissan made from 1983 to 1990.

Aditya Namburi

That red hatchback from the 90s book has the same shape of the Maruti-Suzuki 800 sold in India, specifically the post-84 version. I do believe reading somewhere that it was made in China too, and that might just be one of those examples.

somil

changan alto

Rabe, Jörg-Peter

Hallo, I´m very interested on almoust forgotten history. It´s very nice to read what you´ve together found. And saved for forgetting. On your website I´ve seen a Photo of the 1958 Xianjin 71-5. I´ve tried to make a sketch how the car ( maybe???) looked like . Please write or paint what is wrong or right an I will try to make a almoust realistic, better picture, if you like.
Thank You much Peter, Germany

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JH.

The unknown car in Baoding seems to have the same tail lights as the Ling Kong KJ6380 but upside down. Could this mean something or were the same tail lights used for several cars at that time? comment image

Credits to user “keein” on Reddit for pointing it out!

Last edited 2 years ago by JH.
Erik van Ingen Schenau

Hello JH, yes, well noticed. It can indicate a family resemblance, but, I have to confirm, many parts were used in that period by many car makers. As the cars are totally different in detail, I have no indication that they are made by the same manufacturer.

headinfinite

The doors of the red car are from a 910 Nissan Bluebird. I don’t think the overall car is Bluebird-based, but they might give some hint about its origin.
Was the 910 made in china?

somil

It was made in Taiwan. Some kind of Yue Loong?

headinfinite

Yue Loong could very well be the source of the doors. But since the rest of the car isn’t Bluebird-like at all, I feel like they were just using some doors that happened to be available, and there may not be any deeper 910/Yue Loong connection.

derek c.

Well maybe it was a songhuajiang because yue loong did export their cars to songhuajiang, but it could be a ling kong prototype.

derek c.

No but l know. l just read the heibao article which includes the lubin JLB1010 and it looks incredibly similar. maybe it was another type of lubin?

Erik van Ingen Schenau

Could be Lubin, Derek, but no proof. A lot of cars in that period have similarities. About Yueloong and Songhuajiang i have written here: https://chinacarhistory.com/2020/06/10/yulon-involved-in-the-mainland-china-car-history/. Thanks for your comments.

somil

Figure 2 Lingtong multi-purpose vehicle prototype workshop.

Any more info?

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somil

Figure 1 Wang Huan and the “Lingtong 951” sports multi-purpose vehicle designed and produced by him.

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Last edited 2 years ago by somil
somil

Any info on this Wang Huan?

erik van ingen schenau

Somil, you can find the same photos in my book “Made in China, lost small cars of the 1990s.”

It is a one off, made in Guangzhou City. The article is from a Chinese “mini-car magazine”, 1998-12. In the article also a 1990 and a 1993 minicar are mentioned, 2800mm and 3295mm long. It looks like that the mock up is the 1993 minicar. The sportscar on the second picture is made in 1995.

derek c.

so I think that the shanghai sh760 with the round headlights was used for lower ranking officials that used the bj212 first because the car does look more high-end than the normal ones or it was a prototype because in this movie called qing feng xia there is a car that may have been used by former officials because it is a convertible and maybe that’s how the second gen. shanghai sh760 came to life and the car in the movie may have been one of the protoypes then sold to the citizens after the project was complete for the… Read more »

derek c.

also, in the movie we have a car called qinxing qx 6401 that looks like the dongfeng yituo, the volkswagen santana and the lada samara but it looks very cheap and looks like a tin can also it is in the book made in china lost small cars of the 1990s

derek c.

the prototype may have been made in the early 70s considering the second gen. sh760 was introduced in 1974, and the cars are very similar.

derek c.

since the sh760 was very popular, there have been lots of variants of the sh760 such as the wagon, the pickup and there is even a limousine version of the sh7221 in another movie. in fact another variant (yes, a ground conveyor!) that looks like the bj130 ground conveyor. maybe there is companies who customized normal cars for airport use?
link:https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_585076-Shanghai-SH-760.html
link:https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1121699-Shanghai-SH-7221-Stretched-Limousine-1988.html

derek c.

the shanghai hearse may have used to be a shanghai sh761, then maybe converted into a hearse for the government to use. Does anyone know a company who did that in the 1960s and 70s?

derek c.

the hearse may have been a sh761, then sent to a company to make a hearse for funerals. does anyone know a company who did that and does anyone know what cars were used in chinese government funerals

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